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185. Late-Bloomer Pilot: Fractional, Regional, or Wait It Out?
In episode 185 of the 21.5 Professional Pilots podcast, hosts Dylan and Max dive into the challenges and humor of navigating a late-blooming aviation career. They discuss the intricacies of aircraft o...
185. Late-Bloomer Pilot: Fractional, Regional, or Wait It Out?
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Speaker A
Thanks to my advanced years 60, I'm often put to the role of mentor, coach, career advisor for these aspiring widebody captains. Little do they know, most of the advice I give them I've stolen from episodes of your podcast. They think I'm a knowledgeable and supportive counselor, when in reality I am as bogus as a Milli Vanilli album. Most people are.
Speaker B
Millie Vanilla concert. Did you?
Speaker A
I did, yeah. I love that. Blame it on the rain, baby. Sex, seniority and salary. In that order.
Speaker B
You're on one. 2015, the emergency frequency. It's a show by professional pilots. Four professional pilots.
Speaker A
I looked back at them and I said, I don't think we're at the right airport. And they go, I don't think we are either. Each episode we bring you fascinating conversations with industry experts.
Speaker B
I think I should be a go to on how to deal with 6364 year old men. You're gonna chase it like a dog chasing a school bus.
Speaker A
But we're not just about the serious stuff. We're here to have fun.
Speaker B
Currently on an overnight in Orlando. And this is by far hell. This is the worst place on earth.
Speaker A
It's a whole thing.
Speaker B
The 21Five Professional Pilots podcast is your destination for everything. Aviation. Whether you're cruising in the flight levels or just starting your journey. Welcome back. It is another episode of the 21.5 show. The show for professional pilots by professional pilots. Hello, my name is Dylan. I'm a professional pilot on the road in a very, very echoey hotel room.
Speaker A
Are you in the bathroom?
Speaker B
It kind of sounds like it, doesn't it?
Speaker A
It totally does.
Speaker B
This is my favorite hotel brand, the Hilton Canopy. Have I ever sung the praises of the Canopy to you before? No, it's my favorite. It's just like, it's a little industrial. The design is, it's got like, I don't know if you can see like cement and like hard wood floors and it's very nice. And of course, I'm here on a quick overnight one nighter in Nashville. Massive suite they give you. It's got like two bathrooms, a powder room. It's. I should do a video tour of this place. I'm not even at Hilton, but it was. It's massive. It's maybe one of the biggest hotel rooms I've ever been. It's crazy. You walk into the bathroom through the walk in closet. Yeah, I don't, I don't even know.
Speaker A
How to describe it. That's what happened. We, Christian and I were on a trip to Vegas and We were. It was like a quick short overnight.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker A
We got in late. We're leaving fairly early and we go to the Virgin Hotel.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker A
And they gave us literally like the presidential suite. Like they were like, oh, we're kind of out of room, so here we're gonna upgrade. You do that. We walked in like private pool, you know, bar, like the whole thing.
Speaker B
We're like always on the one nighter.
Speaker A
What a waste. Yeah.
Speaker B
It's so funny every time.
Speaker A
I know.
Speaker B
Ah, I. We. Yeah. Anyways, we could talk about this topic all day, but anyway, shout out to the canopy. If you have never not stated. I'm not paid to say this, but it just has everything I like. It's got like these cool. In the hallway as these like cool water stations with like filtered water and carbonated water and ph water. I know.
Speaker A
This is enough.
Speaker B
It's great.
Speaker A
It's great.
Speaker B
Anyways, cut me off. I was just going to do a hooded sweatshirt review. Darn it.
Speaker A
Tell us about your new travel shoes. Why don't you see if we can lose the rest of the listeners we have.
Speaker B
Exactly. Everyone will tune out. All right, Max, lots to get to today. I've got some shout outs to get to. We have a new airplane to talk about.
Speaker A
Some of us have to fly today. Let's go.
Speaker B
Okay. All right, well, you're going to fly the G280 today. And our friends at Gulfstream just announced the G300 yesterday. Wanted to get your immediate reaction. What? What do you think? What, what, what's the latest?
Speaker A
Listen, some bigger windows and some new avionics, Right? What, what am I missing? The 500 series, it sounds like.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker A
Days of light intelligence, they say. And the longest cabin in class. I don't think that's true.
Speaker B
Plasma. Yeah, I guess it's longer. I don't understand what the. With the two living areas versus the single main cabin in the 280. I don't really understand that. I don't know if it's a longer cabin.
Speaker A
I don't know. Every time I get this. If I'm an owner, like there's no way we're spending another $25 million on the. If you have a 280 on a 300. Unless. What one thing can justify this purchase?
Speaker B
Well, there's a couple different things, but yeah, bonus depreciation and typically.
Speaker A
Or just any depreciation. If there's no depreciation, like there's no way this.
Speaker B
Yeah, bonus depreciation. Yeah. And warranty. I mean, there's a lot of People that just buy a new airplane every, you know, four years because they always want to plane under warranty.
Speaker A
But how is that any sort of cost saving measure?
Speaker B
It's not bulk saving appreciation.
Speaker A
What is it then? Who gives a shit if it's under warranty or not?
Speaker B
A lot of.
Speaker A
A lot of.
Speaker B
A lot of operations do because you have to think about it's.
Speaker A
I mean, because it's not fixing the costs.
Speaker B
Right.
Speaker A
And if it's not programs, then that's what the. That's the whole essence of put everything on a program.
Speaker B
Yeah, but that's not the way that some corporations think. They just want the new you.
Speaker A
They want to know, they want to have a predictable cost.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker A
Which is what. Putting you on the programs and that, you know, if you go on every program, you, you can predict the cost.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker A
That's the whole point.
Speaker B
Yeah. And there's. But. And there's just new airplane.
Speaker A
I know we both know a lot of people, if there's no depreciation, this business changes big time. And I may maybe, you know, bonus D is. Is one thing, and I don't think that bottom falls out. But if they just said, listen, no more writing off private jets, like, there's just no way. It would just everyone be like, oh, you know, I don't, I don't think people would like, get rid of their jets. I just don't think the frequency of which they're buying. I don't think the machine would, Would, Yeah. Work the same. But what do I know? I'm just a pirate.
Speaker B
Yep, you were just a pirate. Yeah. Well, it'll be interesting to see. I mean, I, I feel like this is. Oh, you know, it's the same floor as before. You know, we've on this show debated.
Speaker A
The flat floor versus the golden retriever. I don't want to.
Speaker B
It's just. I, it's just funny. I guess the real main question I have is, like, it just doesn't seem. It seems like these manufacturers just, they get a design and it's just too cost prohibitive to come up with a new clean sheet design. Right. They just won't do it.
Speaker A
Yeah. Have you heard of the 737?
Speaker B
Yeah, exactly. I know, it's just, it's just funny.
Speaker A
So here's the other thing, though, is that you end up. There is an interesting thing I watched about that and why we don't get more new airplane designs, especially airliners. And the problem is it costs them double because you end up competing with yourself. Right.
Speaker B
Exactly. Yep.
Speaker A
Like, and that's why, like Embraer might be poised to make a really interesting entry into that single aisle aircraft market because they don't already make something that competes. So they. This would be all new for them versus competing with the orders they already have on, you know, so I don't know. It's a, it's a wacky business. It's unfortunate that literally the cost prohibits innovation constantly.
Speaker B
It's. We were just down at the, the air Museum down at Falcon Field. I took my son, he loves that place. We were just down there last weekend. And it just makes your head spin when you start to look at the. The amount of different aircraft models that were developed from about what, 1935 to about 1960. Yeah, I mean it's just, it was just. Your head just explodes. Just how many different airplanes and it's like, we can't do that anymore. Well, it's just everything's different.
Speaker A
I fly in the 737 and like, you know, you have to set the pressur. You have to set your cruise altitude and the landing field elevation. And if for some reason, you know, the rides are bad and you don't get to the cruise altitude and you level off, you know, at 30,000 instead of 32 and then you start the descent, you get a master caution off schedule descent and you have to pull out the qrh and it's no big deal, but you're just like, what, what am I doing? Like, why am I doing this still? And like the bleeds and the switches and you're just like, what? This is a brand new 150 million dollar airplane. What am I doing with bleed valves and like manually controlling pressurization? Like, what, where are we at? But it's the, you know, it's the regulation of things. I don't know, whatever it is, who cares?
Speaker B
Yeah, I mean, I get over it pretty quick.
Speaker A
But yeah, it's like sometimes you're just like this. You just shake your head. You're like, this is.
Speaker B
Yeah, you have to. Because it's just funny. I mean, so it's just, it is, it's just the iterations, you know, and I know I get it's really expensive to create a new airplane. It's just funny how quickly we used to be able to create them with. Without computers or anything. You know, the guys would be like, oh, let's try this. I mean, it's just so.
Speaker A
Slide rule and.
Speaker B
Oh yeah, slide rule. Oh, let's try and put to. Let's. We've got the Mustang. Let's Put two Mustang bodies and then throw a little, you know, like the SR71, dude.
Speaker A
Like the length of time at which they developed that airplane with slide rules is insanity. Like that. Such. For such a radical design. I don't know. We used to be able to do stuff, build stuff. You know, we're hopefully we're booming back.
Speaker B
We're just getting old. We're getting old, Max. We're just.
Speaker A
I know. Listen to us. We're like the old crust.
Speaker B
We sound like Captain Benny.
Speaker A
It's so funny, dude. I was at my. I was at the airport yesterday. I went flying just by myself, just for fun. And then I ended warm up the oil so I could change oil. And I'm sitting there and I. And I landed and I went to the wash rack because my plane was just filthy. So I washed it, which is Washington. Airplane sucks. Even a co. It is a lot of work. So I taxi back and I was kind of wiping off the last strips after I parked in front of my hangar and. And come up behind me. I hear, well, what you ought to be doing.
Speaker B
Oh, no.
Speaker A
And that's literally a guy I used to fly with. What's it been now, 15 years ago, that was making fun of a dude that we both flew with before.
Speaker B
Oh, my God.
Speaker A
Long since passed away. That was just a crusty old. Like the crustiest old dude we ever knew. And it's just. It's funny how the crusty old dudes, they'll live in infamy. Like, we still imitate that guy forever to this day.
Speaker B
Never will never stop.
Speaker A
He died like, what, how long ago? Like 10 years. Over 10 years ago.
Speaker B
I mean, just. It was just a magical time. That's why, you know, we get back, you just have to have these. These thorns in your flesh coming up in the career. That's part of the journey.
Speaker A
That's great. That's. It's so funny, though.
Speaker B
Yeah. Oh, my gosh. What you ought to do.
Speaker A
What you ought to be doing while you're flexing.
Speaker B
I think we. We told this story before on the show, but for any new listeners. So Max was working for this.
Speaker A
This is Dylan's favorite story right here, everyone.
Speaker B
Yeah. When we were back at. This was like in the doldrums of low. No hiring, no opportunities. Had to get Max had to go into the hangar almost every day. I didn't even have a job at the time. So I'd come in with him and we would just. His chief pilot would just dream up jobs left and right for us to do oh, we got a paint job.
Speaker A
I mean we were literally touching up like the panel paint on the airplane. This is the beach jetserial number one airplane that is now in the P. Mar and space museum.
Speaker B
Yeah. And I'll never forget he assigned the job of. Well, somebody got lost in the. In the lobby. So he wanted a sign on the door to the hangar so that they knew where to go when they wanted to walk out to the hangar. And we went to Home Depot and got like the vinyl lettering and we spelled hanger.
Speaker A
The best part, this is how bad aviation was. This was in 09. So I went fly from flying a Gulf Stream to beach jet serial number one. Which was fine, like whatever. I was fortunate that I was staying dual qualified. I um. And alternating these recurrence every six months. And Dylan was just hanging out cause he had nowhere else to go. You were, you had no job or you were like a driving instructor at the time?
Speaker B
No, I was a driver. I was flying contract on the beach. You know, I was a. I was a full time contract pilot, Max.
Speaker A
Yeah, we had no kids so we were just like out. We're just hanging. He just like would come to hang out and watch me in misery doing add and replace revisions for the entire country. Which is kind of funny because last week there's a FedEx package in our plane. And I'm like, oh, what's this? And I look it up and it's our AFM revisions of which all of that is on the iPad, right in the. In the 280. But we still have paper AFMS. So I'm sitting there on this flight doing add and replace, add, replace revisions. I got the list of revisions. You know. You put that out.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker A
And you're doing it. And it occurs to me, I look over at Christian, I'm like, have you ever done an ad and replace revision in your life? He's just kind of looking at me with like, oh my God. Like he goes, I don't think so. I'm like, listen young buck, this is how the jeps used to be.
Speaker B
Oh my God.
Speaker A
I got on my soapbox for a minute, you know.
Speaker B
Meanwhile, he just turned the volume up on his Bose headset just a little bit louder and drowned you out with the. Oh my. The big booty mix. Just like get me out of here. Oh my gosh. All right, well that's enough to trip down anyways. Yeah, we spelled hanger wrong on purpose and his boss's head almost exploded.
Speaker A
We did, we put the sign up and we spilled hanger like a clothes hanger on purpose just to watch him go ape. That was so funny. I forgot about.
Speaker B
That was one of my favorite memories. Yeah.
Speaker A
Don't you, boys? No.
Speaker B
Yeah, it was great. So, anyways, so embrace your trials and tribulations in your career, as we've mentioned many times before on this show, because it'll be great story to joke about with later on when you have a top 45 aviation podcast. All right, now a couple more quick shout outs max I gotta give before we move on. First one is I met a listener up in Napa named Connor who works for, I think it's the flight serve FBO up there. Dude hooked us up with some wine for me and you, so I just want to give him a shout out and say thank you. So excited to uncork those and check it out. So always fun to run into folks on the road. And the other shout out I want to give is to my co pilot who has gotten me into disc golfing. Disc golfing is the best corporate pilot hobby that as long as you're flying to, like, decent weather places, it's great because it's just a little backpack with your discs. There's courses all over the country and they're all free. And it gets you out walking outside somewhere where you normally wouldn't be. It's about an hour to an hour and a half, depending on how long the course is. So it's not that long. It's just a great hobby for flying around the country. I don't know. That's it. You don't sound like you're. You're really enthused about it, but I'm.
Speaker A
I don't know how to respond.
Speaker B
I. I don't know. I just. At first, when you told me, he's like, yeah, we do disc golf. And I'm like, oh, okay. But it just. It just makes a lot of sense.
Speaker A
Coming from a guy who loves real golf. I guess that's not surprising. Even though you could bring your clubs and there are golf courses all over the country.
Speaker B
Oh. Oh. Believe me.
Speaker A
I'll tell you what I do like is the hour time came in.
Speaker B
Yeah, it's quick. You can play music. If you're off duty. You could have an adult beverage as you walk along. You're just like, out. It's cool. I don't know. I just encourage people to check it out.
Speaker A
Sounds fun. I didn't know there's that many discourses.
Speaker B
All over, like, and they're all free. So it's like, it's Just kind of a quick, easy. Get the little exercise. I don't know. Worth a shot. Give it a try.
Speaker A
Did you see my. Did I send you that Instagram reel the other day that I felt really resonated with me?
Speaker B
Um, I mean, you send me so many. I. I have to. Can you remind me which one?
Speaker A
It was something about like, my nervous system. I. I'd like to play golf, but my nervous system really resonates with hobbies that if you make a mistake, can kill you.
Speaker B
Oh, yeah? Yeah.
Speaker A
I'm like, hmm, thank you thing for a minute.
Speaker B
Stakes aren't quite high enough.
Speaker A
That is. Yeah, I guess I feel like that describes where I'm at.
Speaker B
Yeah. That's you. Yeah. Anyway, it's not enough on the line. Maybe you just need to start playing golf for a ton of money. Yeah.
Speaker A
As I'm.
Speaker B
That might help.
Speaker A
Yesterday on my flight. So I'm scout. We're scouting this new area to land in that is like, oh, yeah. With really big rocks, you know. And so I flew over this. It's this big mesa and I was flying really low over. I'm just by myself and I'm. I'm like, oh, that two track. Like there's a two track trail on it. I'm like, that how, like straight that is. Like, I might be able to land there. I'm like, well, fly the end and I'll come back and I'll line up on it and pull flaps. And, you know, sometimes, you know, you get right down on it and you gotta like, you kind of make the decision like at about 10ft, what you're gonna do because you can't see everything until you're really like down there. And so I lined up on it and full flaps and getting real slow, you know, And. And I get down right, right above it, like 10ft. And I'm like. And there's. You could see there's like rocks in the T track and stuff. I'm like, yeah, this is probably not a good idea by myself.
Speaker B
Not today.
Speaker A
Nobody else. Yeah. So I went around, but I love it. I missed out, but that's. That's good. That's kind of. You gotta make the balance.
Speaker B
Gotta make that decision. That's right. It's good. You gotta know when to fold them.
Speaker A
Good. Right.
Speaker B
Any other Max's musings here? We. I know we're. We're moving quick, but you gotta have some notes. You've been.
Speaker A
Yeah, I got a couple of things. I got a couple of funny things that happen. One, I can Remember, that was exactly like. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All right, so what. So the other day, we're in Las Vegas, and you know when you. You do like the before takeoff checklist, like right before you take the Runway and you ding the flight attendants, right? And then you listen on the pa make sure they. They make their pa. Well, sure enough.
Speaker B
They don't have to call you. They don't have to call you our.
Speaker A
No, you listen in on the pa. The captain listens in. And then. So we do that. We roll out on the Runway, we stop. He's like. He hits the button again. And I'm like, are they not getting the message? He's like, no, they're not saying anything. So we're sitting there, and I'm like, oh, boy. And then they clear us for takeoff, right? And I'm like, we're gonna have to exit the Runway. We are having a communication problem with the flight tents, you know, so we taxi up and exit the Runway, right? And they're like, okay, turn right on this. Yada, yada, yada, and hold short, whatever, blah, blah. So we're sitting there and we're like, digging them. And the dinger. The chime broke. This is. And this is like a new max, like, got delivered in August. It was like brand new. And I'm like, what is going on? And so we're sitting there and it was funny because this is like the kind of dumb stuff on a loft that you'll get. But then when this happens in real life, you realize that the dumb stuff on the loft is so dumb. So you sit there and then you like fuel. Oh, we better shut down an engine and start the apu. We're going to have to do the whole monkey. So then we're like, well, how do we get, you know, a hold of the flight? So, you know, we can get on the pa, obviously, and be like, hey, you know, pick up the phone, but you sound like an idiot. And so we heard one of them finally pick up the phone, and we're like, hey, you guys there? They're like, yeah. They're like, what happened? We're like, the dinger's broken. Like, so anyway, it was like, it's just this whole. And then you have to. That's so funny. And you got to pull up the Mel. And then you got to call dispatch and get on there and Mel. The whole thing sitting here it in the dark, it Las Vegas. And then. And it. What's so funny is that training this year, the first leg of our loft was Literally something very similar where it broke. You're sitting there, you gotta run the ML, you do all the stuff and then you like figure out you have not enough gas and you taxi back to the gate. And I was like. And that was like the. Of our loft in training and. And literally exactly what was happening here. And we're looking at the fuel and the men takeoff fuel. And we ended up, you know, getting it all worked out. And there's alternate communications procedures, you just to make a pa and then we got on the Runway and took off. But, uh, it's kind of funny how sometimes the things that you never think that you're like, I cannot believe I just got in the simulator for an hour and we taxied around Las Vegas Airport and ended up going back to the gate. And that was the end of the first sim session. And then like two weeks later at the same airport, driving around the airport. Luckily we didn't have to go back to the gate, but it was just kind of ironic. So.
Speaker B
Oh, that's so funny.
Speaker A
Weird. Like weird stuff you don't think of that's going to break.
Speaker B
You know, it's lofts are always funny because I remember having a similar loft at Eagle one time where it was the same deal. Like we never got off the ground. And you're like taxing back to the gate and you're like, this is so, like, this can't be right. Like, I must have missed something. Like there should have been some way I should have figured out how to get in the air. But it was like, no. Like sometimes you just don't go.
Speaker A
So the other thing that was kind of interesting. So San Diego has had those old clapped out terminals forever, right? They've been building a brand new terminal. And so they just opened it. Like literally was like I was there like the day after the first day or whatever. It was somewhere really close. So. And New Orleans did the same thing, right? They built a whole new terminal on the other side of the Runway. And in New Orleans you have this new terminal, the ramp is sinking, which is a whole story. And then the other side is. This is the old terminal. And they just left it there. It's just like the old terminal is still there. It's been. I don't know.
Speaker B
You never know. Yeah, you never know. Event space. I think you can rent that out, dude.
Speaker A
Literally the second, the day after, they're out there with excavators just ripping the jet bridges off and throwing them on the ground. It looks like a war. It looks like you just Landed in mo. That's what I said. I go, jesus, it looks like we just landed in Mogadishu. Like, the. The jet bridges is just strewn about. Like it's. It's a mess. And then. And the funny part. Oh, the other reason I forgot the second thing I said after I said that was on the other side of the Runway is a citation 10 with the nose gear, like.
Speaker B
Oh, yeah, Snapped off.
Speaker A
So it's on its nose with the end number blanked out. And so it was. I don't know. I mean, this is.
Speaker B
I haven't been there since then. The old terminal, I would. So the gates are open now. The new.
Speaker A
Oh, dude. Gates, restaurants, it's. It's awesome. It's a million improvement.
Speaker B
Oh, because that's.
Speaker A
And I think they're tearing them down right away because the terminal is just, I think is going to extend to where the old ones are. So we gotta, like, get those things out of the way and keep. Keep it rolling.
Speaker B
Dude. The southwest terminals at San Diego were so bad. Those little circular things and there's, like, nowhere for anybody to be.
Speaker A
Yeah, there's people everywhere.
Speaker B
Everywhere. It's just miserable. We used to go in and out of there and I was like, I. I can't do this anymore. Like, I don't know, give me a.
Speaker A
Car or you get a. Yeah, there's. Remember, you had to go to the other terminal. You had to go outside of school.
Speaker B
I would say security. Oh, it's just that burned me.
Speaker A
Like, busy there, dude. Now they're like launching even more flights and all kinds of.
Speaker B
Yeah, so that's good. So it's all. Is it just southwest? Do you guys have the whole terminal yourself?
Speaker A
Yeah, no, that's. There's other people there too.
Speaker B
Wow.
Speaker A
I think.
Speaker B
Oh, I'm gonna have to go there soon. Check it out.
Speaker A
Pretty cool. So that was. That was funny. And then. Oh, this is the last thing that I had.
Speaker B
So. The last musing.
Speaker A
Okay, the last musing. So I sold my old airplane and it had its very special tail number that my wife had procured for me. She, like, hunted it down. It has our initials and our. We have the same birthday. So it's like a mix of our birthday and our initials. And she found some dude and like, that had it and approached him on. It was like some old 182 he had parked in a barn that wasn't even flyable. And she bought it off of him and registered it and gave me the letter. It was. So it was pretty special.
Speaker B
You didn't Know, it's not like you coached her through that either.
Speaker A
No, she figured it out. This is before Chad GPT, too.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker A
Like, you actually had crazy research, so. So, yeah, she did that. So the tail number is very special. So when I sold the plane, you know, which is not uncommon, you say, hey, you know, you have six months. And then I want my channel number back. Right? So we did all that. And I was like, just let the title company handle it, because I don't want this to get screwed up. Well, he didn't do that. And he, like, sent the letter. You know, the fa. You send letters to, like, request this. So I'm like, dude, I'm like, I told you. So then I call. So then I called the registration department, which puts you on hold for nine years. Because I'm like, now what do I do? Like, he already set the wheels in motion without all the paperwork. So I call, and they're like, okay, you write a letter and then have him send your letter with a letter from him. Two checks for $20 each. Like, it's idiotic, right?
Speaker B
Somewhere in Oklahoma City.
Speaker A
I write this down. Yeah, I write it down and I call a guy. I'm like, mike, here's what we gotta do. I'm like, I'm gonna email you this letter. You need to print it. He's like, so he does it. He writes the checks, the whole thing. We send it in. Right? And I. And I don't do not trust this process. So I've been kind of checking every once in a while to see. Searching that end number to see if it just Is going to pop up on the FAA website. I'm going to get screwed. And then literally the other day, I pop it up. Oh, this number's available for reservation.
Speaker B
I'm like, no, idiots.
Speaker A
Yeah. So I went on and paid the 10 bucks and registered it and got it back. But I'm like, that would have been. I would have been so pissed, dude. It would have been. My wife would have been really pissed.
Speaker B
Oh, my God. Can you imagine that?
Speaker A
That would have been all because of this archaic ridiculousness. It's. And now. So now I've reserved it. You know what I. You know what I have to do now? Write a letter to the FAA telling him what I.
Speaker B
So stupid. Here it is. It says it's on hold. I'm looking it up right now.
Speaker A
Oh, good. Thank you. I did not confirm. I mean, I screenshot it. Like, I'm.
Speaker B
I would have given anything to buy that first. That would have been great.
Speaker A
That would have been good. I'm glad I didn't tell this story. Yeah. I mean, that would have been bad. That would have been. It's even like my license plate of my car, which I tell myself the only excuse to have a personalized aviation license plate.
Speaker B
It's.
Speaker A
Which is still cringey right now.
Speaker B
We've, we've already done the short tail number rant, all the other stuff, so we can, we can let that be.
Speaker A
But I just thought that was just, you know, you know, the FAA is getting very progressive with mental health, but unfortunately, the end number registration. Yeah, Boondoggle. Is still. That's.
Speaker B
That's natural. That's the second priority.
Speaker A
Yeah, that's. That's. We're going to bring that one to Congress next. We're going to start an action committee. Our buddy Sean, who's pissed off about the, you know, short end number guy that owns them all, and they get.
Speaker B
A real, real activist everyone could get behind. Yep. I hope you're ready, Harvey Watt, to contribute to our new campaign here.
Speaker A
All right, that's all I got. That's enough.
Speaker B
That's good. That's good. All right, well, we got a lot to get to, so we'll move on from the musings. But great update. Thank you. Okay, some good reviews and comments to read. Why do we read these? Because we love to hear back from our listeners. And here's the deal. If you write us a review or a comment on YouTube or Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Actually don't know if you can write a review on. On Spotify, but Apple Podcasts, for sure. We'll send you a sticker. Just shoot us an email with your mailing address and we'll get those in the mail. All right, I'll let you go ahead and read the first one since you probably haven't read it yet.
Speaker A
Of course not. These guys are great. Found these guys a couple weeks before Oshkosh25. I can count on a single hand the number of times something other than the 21Five podcast has been playing in my car Since. Currently a CFII at just over 1300 hours. Passionate about all things aviation. And these guys scratch all the aviation itches getting into some of the older shows. I can relate to Max's M14P fun as I've had scuba bottles hooked up to Nan Shangs and a Wilga. All fun aside, this show has definitely influenced my flying and career moves for the better. Thanks from Beach Hat.
Speaker B
I love it. And the Nan Chings and the Wellga both have the same that they have the M14M. Right.
Speaker A
Well.
Speaker B
Or do they just have the.
Speaker A
You really want to get it? No. Well, they. They originally have the Nan chains have a Chinese version and then they. But a lot of people swap the M14 because it has more power. So like the Yak 52, which is Nanchang, is a copy of. And so I could go on forever about this, Dylan.
Speaker B
If only there was somebody we knew with a YouTube channel on World War aircraft engines that you could maybe collab with.
Speaker A
I know. Maybe we'll find that guy one day.
Speaker B
Next one is from Joe Lineber on YouTube. He says I love the TED talks. Jaded by years of airline abuse. Small city, good enough hotels and watering holes where you have to lie about what you do because of one of the patrons might be on the flight tomorrow morning. These young kids today have no idea what hardship is. That actually reminds me, we Eagle, we in Fresno, we overnighted at the Holiday Inn across the street from the airport, which was awesome because you could just walk right to it. You know, on the shorter regional airline overnights and on the longer overnights, when you had time to go down to the watering hole, you had to be really careful because most of the people staying at the airport hotel next door were going to be on your flight the next morning. So it's pretty funny. So be careful who you send karaoke with. But those are the comments. Thanks. Of course, everyone that participated. Info21found podcast.com is the email address if you want me to send you some stickers. All right, mailbags coming up now. You did an incredible Reggie impersonation last time for the ad read. Do you have it in you again?
Speaker A
I don't think so.
Speaker B
Not.
Speaker A
Not today.
Speaker B
I don't know if I can do it in in Reggie's voice. I'll try, of course. The mailbag is brought to you by our friends at Advanced Air Crew Academy. Now, chaps, let's be honest. Clicking through some generic training slides at 2am with one eye open isn't exactly sharpening your airmanship. That's why the clever folks at Advanced Aircrew Academy have built training. Or snark have built training more specifically for professional pilots like us.
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Speaker A
That was better. You just have to sound less like. Reggie always sounds so unimpressed with everything.
Speaker B
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Speaker A
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Speaker B
Be just so disassociated. He could be anywhere, right? You'd rather be anywhere than here.
Speaker A
You're just an idiot for listening to it is he's like almost demeaning.
Speaker B
British. They just look down on us. Well, there you go, Dan. Hopefully you enjoyed. Hopefully you're getting your money's worth from these ad reads. All right, on to the mailbag. First email is from Charlie Mike. It says, hello, gents. I was listening to the podcast and you brought up the skid marks on 20 right. @ Orange County. Oh, yeah. You remember this?
Speaker A
I'm gonna call clearance next time and ask about this.
Speaker B
Yeah. Says the only incident I could think of was back in 2023 when SoCal got remnants of a hurricane. High winds and rain, and Alaska's 737 gear collapsed on the landing. Aviation safety network link attached below. P.S. i don't know if this is 100 what caused those skid marks, but logically it makes sense. I think that's the one where the gear, like, went through the wing, right?
Speaker A
Yeah.
Speaker B
Like up through. Yeah.
Speaker A
But I think that. See, the problem is that was it the. The skid marks are like just past the numbers. Like really?
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker A
It would be very early to be touching down an airliner. And I. And I want to say that those have been there before that because I remember this because that. That Alaska 737 sat on the cargo ramp there for like a long time.
Speaker B
Did it look like Mogadishu when you taxied in?
Speaker A
No. Was still up on all its gear. Just a little.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker A
Little cattywampus.
Speaker B
You know, it's a good guess. I don't. We don't know. But. All right, put that on. Put that on the list.
Speaker A
Somebody go to Orange County. I'm going to ask.
Speaker B
You're going to figure that out.
Speaker A
This has become a real, you know, hot topic.
Speaker B
Tell them. There's a top 45 aviation podcast that.
Speaker A
Demands answers requiring listeners really would like to know. Mostly just one of the hosts, but that's right.
Speaker B
All right, what's next?
Speaker A
All right. My son is a CFI with 1600 plus hour instructor at Ember Riddle and Bachelor of Science of Aviation there. He tested the ATP ctp and the question Came up about getting a type rating. Crj. Erj. Would getting this type rating help him to skip to the front of the line for the regionals that are hiring? He has apps out to most companies. We were just strategizing about anything he could do. Also, is becoming a check instructor at ERU to. To break through the candidate pool. Thanks for. Bill. I think being the check instructor is probably more impactful than getting a type rating. I mean, I. But I'm sure. So when you're hiring as flight instructor regional, what's the question? If you're a recruiter, like, are they gonna make it through training? Right, right. Like. And. And so if you. If you get a typewriting, you've proven you can make it through a typewriting training, which. So I think helpful. But I think that being the check instructor, you know. Do you. What? What? Here's. Let me give you some advice. This is. I'm not sure if they still do it this way. It's been a minute since I worked there, but you should tell your son to become the interview coordinator. Oh, that was the greatest job to have as an immortal flight instructor. Do you remember that?
Speaker B
Yes, Yes, I remember you. You really took advantage of it. Yes.
Speaker A
It was so good.
Speaker B
Recall that. Yeah.
Speaker A
And guess. Guess who they schedule the interviews with all the check instructors and you get check instructor pay, so. And I would schedule all the interview. All the good, like, parts of the interview, process all the flights, and then mess the arm wrestling.
Speaker B
Yeah, that was great.
Speaker A
It was right up. Right up my alley.
Speaker B
Yeah. Right up your alley. Working the angles. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Bill, I. I also agree with Max. I would do the check instructor route first. I. Now I don't know what Ambry Riddle's deal is. They may have a sim there. I don't know.
Speaker A
They did well, remember? Remember? Well, yeah, we had. This was 727 SIM.
Speaker B
That's like 20 years ago. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A
No, I think they do have a.
Speaker B
So, so are we talking like this is a sim that's at Embry Riddle, that as a student or as an instructor, you get some sort of a discounted rate and it's a class you take that. It's possible. I would lean towards the check instructors. The more straightforward way to go.
Speaker A
Yeah, I would do it free.
Speaker B
I would do it. Or if. Or if it's not, you know, when we were instructors there, we could audit courses for free or we could take courses for free if there was some sort of advanced CRM or crew cockpit coordination class or something like that. That anything you can say, look, I have been exposed to operating in a crew. I understand CRM. I know who moves the altitude selector. I know when the autopilot's off that, ah, you know, the right seat guy, you know, changes the modes, whatever. Something like that is useful on an interview, I think, and doesn't necessarily have to be a 10, 15, $20,000 type rating. I just don't know if that's going to help you cut the line, but check instructor probably will be curious to hear.
Speaker A
There you go.
Speaker B
What James has to say. All right, next email. Wait. Yes, my email says haboobs. Very interested in your take on that haboob that sandblasted Phoenix yesterday. Well, that was about a month ago. Sorry, we're well behind. Did you get caught up in that? How does it affect your corporate and airline ops maintenance when you look up haboobs in the FAA weather handbook, there is only a short paragraph and a picture of an American military base being consumed by one seems to confirm to my rule, the less the FAA writes about something, the less survivable the problem is. And judging by the picture, not a picnic. Anyway, the show continues to entertain. Thanks, gents. And JP says haboob. Man, that word will never not be funny. Fortunately, I our airplane was safely in the hangar for that event. We have definitely the kind of cool thing in Phoenix at least is when it's coming, you can see it from a ways away. So if I was on approach and saw that it would be definitely time to turn the airplane around and go somewhere else for sure it wouldn't be great. I mean the military I think obviously has figured out how to do this since they've been operating in the Middle east for quite some time, but can't be great going into engines. I guess that's my technical analysis.
Speaker A
Yeah, there's no, I mean what you saw in the news is about what you see. It's pretty obvious you don't want to fly through it. There was great, like there was a great video though, like really getting close to Phoenix and one of the Southwest planes blasting off, which obviously once you're airborne, like you just, you know, turn away. It's no big deal. But it was just kind of dramatic looking. It was cool. But no, I, I don't think I was flying at all that day. So yeah, I don't have anything to report.
Speaker B
Actually, I, you know, funny haboob story. I bought a brand new car for my wife Lindsay a couple years ago and we were driving it home from the dealership and haboob came in, just blasted us as we're on the freeway. It like. And I was following her. She was driving the new car, I'm driving the old car. And it like, we're in the haboo. Plus, some, like, debris got blown in and hit the side of the car. I'm behind it, and I'm just like, oh, my God, this thing is already completely sandblasted. But just the way it goes. It's just one of them. The we don't have, you know, mosquitoes in the desert, but got to deal with the haboob now and then.
Speaker A
Listen, nowhere's perfect.
Speaker B
That's right.
Speaker A
Hey, what's up, guys? I'm a loyal listener of your show and promote it to all my aviation nerds who are looking for podcasts or need something entertained to do. All right, well, I'll keep going. Just wanted to say a few things. First of all, I just listened to episode 180 with James. Always enlightening to listen to him. Side note, because of your show, I hired James for resume, resume rebuild and some coaching quite a while back. Anyways, a quick thought on the metaphorical genius. I really think you should create some merch, some T shirts and hats with a few James isms on them. I could totally see a 21 5T shirt with a dog chasing a school bus and other dogs sitting on the school bus with one yelling at the dog chasing it. I caught it. That'd be funny. Okay. Secondly, I want to thank you for interviewing Colonel Richard Bouchon from the 390th. Coincidentally, I just listened to that episode on the morning of July 4th while driving to and from a July 4th parade. Excellent timing. And his stories gave me even more appreciation for our freedoms and the greatest generation. And last, I listened to you guys on Spotify. Unfortunately, Spotify doesn't allow listeners to give written reviews, only stars. Lame. So here's my review. These guys are not only entertaining, but knowledgeable and experienced in all things piloting. There are topics covered and guests bring in so much to the show. Max and Dylan are extremely relatable and keep the laughter or keep me laughing whether I'm in the car, commuting or mowing my grass. Keep up the solid work, William. P.S. i forgot to mention, I'm a total fan of the long sleeve hooded rash guard swim shirt.
Speaker B
All right, good.
Speaker A
I use it while flying ga, mowing the grass and doing outside stuff. It's super lightweight and I feel like I'm saving myself insurance. Co pays down the road.
Speaker B
Boom.
Speaker A
It's it's true. It is a solid piece of outerwear, I must admit.
Speaker B
Thank you, William. I feel so validated. I needed to hear that. Appreciate it.
Speaker A
Hopefully it's only in the summer, William. If you're wearing that in the winter, there might.
Speaker B
It's a tactical garment. Yeah.
Speaker A
I might have something else to say.
Speaker B
Hey guys, I was catching up on your shows and heard you continue the conversation about commuting. I wrote before about my own commute, but now you were asking about those that commute by ga. I've met several captains at the Red, White and Blue airline that commute from the Central Valley in California to LA airports and they say it's easy. More interesting though, I've met a Delta guy and an Alaska guy who commute from the San Juan Islands to Seattle by their own planes. One with a Mooney and the other is a Cirrus. But both are certified flight into known icing. And they fly to Boeing field, which is four miles away from SeaTac with an ILS and nice FBO guys that can give them a ride to and from the terminal. Turns out what would be a 4 to 7 hour commute via car and ferry is about 25 minutes of flying in Seattle. Keep up the great work, guys. I still don't use the new words, but the show is great and look forward to it. And that's from Keith. That's a great example. Yeah, that's a big flying from the islands. That's huge because. Yeah, the ferry and the whole thing. It's funny, my college roommate was from. Lived on one of the islands. Yeah, he. Well, he was actually at Orcas. Orcas Island.
Speaker A
Oh.
Speaker B
And they lived on an airport and he had his own airplane up there. And it was the thing. It was like you had to fly back and forth to the mainland. I can't remember what they called it, but yeah, it was like a huge time saver because otherwise the last ferry left at, you know, 5 o' clock and the whole thing. And of course the only problem is when you're the guy with the airplane on the island and somebody needs to get to the mainland and they miss the ferry. Guess who's getting better?
Speaker A
Better bought a 206.
Speaker B
Yeah, exactly. So pretty interesting stuff, but all right, there's more. More than. Than we think. That's. That's good. I like that.
Speaker A
Max, Dylan, good morning. I've been listening to your show for about three years and love it. You guys keep me company while I waste away hours in the passenger terminal commuting for work. Your you fellows love me to lull me to sleep while I'm squeezing the middle seat in the last row of economy shoehorn between the construction worker and the aspiring plus size model. After 30 years of police work, I retired and started a second career in aviation. I'm currently flying a slotation for part 135 operator and I'm loving it. After trying to raise a family on a policeman's salary for decades, I giggle anytime I look at my current pay stub. I can't believe I'm getting paid this much to look out the window. I find myself flying with a bunch of 20 something kids in the right seat who are just starting their aviation career thanks to my advanced years 60. I'm often put to the role of mentor, coach, career advisor for these aspiring widebody captains. Little do they know most of the advice I give them I've stolen from episodes of your podcast. They think I'm a knowledgeable and supportive counselor when in reality I am as bogus as a milli vanilla album. Most people are mill vanilla concert.
Speaker B
Did you.
Speaker A
I did.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker A
I love that. Blame it on the rain baby. It must be time to unmask myself and reveal the true source of all my wisdom. The best way to do that is probably be flashing some 215 swag around the FBO. I think a cool baseball hat and a sticker from my iPad case should do the trick. Keep on trucking from Bob. Well there you go.
Speaker B
We can make that happen Bob. I think we've got some of those in supply. I can get out to. You actually have some new cool. Flexibility is the key to airpower. Stickers. They're black. We could throw that to you right away. And maybe one of these hats too. I think I've got a couple of these in stock too. So take care of you Bob. Just. Yeah. Cite your source I guess. I don't know. Or is it better for him to just pretend the problem is advising people in aviation?
Speaker A
You can steal the good advice and but then you just have to say my last piece of advice would be to listen to this podcast. It's very enlightening.
Speaker B
Yeah, it's very enlightening.
Speaker A
Spread the word Bob.
Speaker B
Yeah. Appreciate it Bob. Thank you. That's gonna do it for the mailbag. If you'd like to be part of the conversation you can shoot us an email info215podcast.com we'll to read your email. About one month in arrears we're finding but we will get to it. Love to hear from the listeners and hear the conversations from those out on the line. All right Max, are you ready some flight advice to feel in a charitable mood. Okay, sure. Excellent. Well of course we want to remind our listeners of our sponsor for flight advice and that sponsor is Harvey Watt. If you visit harveywatt.com you can check out all of the offerings they have. I bet you probably already know they are the ones that backstop most of professional pilots medicals, right? They have the loss of medical insurance. But did you know they also have pilot life insurance? I know all about it because I am a policyholder and it's a great experience. They just sent us an email. It says here's an interesting fact. We see over 1 in 20 pilots out for long term grounding annually versus about 3 in 1000 non pilots. And that's why pilot rates can be higher than a regular person's insurance rate. But that's not a problem at Harvey Watt. They have almost no exclusions except suicide which is waived after two years. They have a little calculator on their website. You can check all out all of the offerings they have for professional pilots. Harveywatt.com all right, on to flight advice. Hey guys, late bloomer here. After star studded careers in frying chicken construction and real estate, I finally. Oh wait, was this the guy that's sitting next to that guy? Commuting in the middle scene, let's see real estate. I finally followed the dream. At the tender age of 36 I went the part 61 route, then CFII and was fortunate enough to get a 135 bush pilot gig at 500 hours. Then UPS feeder at 1200. Timing didn't work out to score the clapped out Beach 99 in Gillette, Wyoming. So settled for a clapped out Cessna 404. Doing the same thing now with over 1600 total time and 500 multi. My plan is to hang up the hat and spurs and go put on a suit. With four kids at home, the fractionals make the most sense for me at the moment. So not scared of rejection. With the real estate background, a wife willing to move anywhere cool, I applied to every imaginable fractional charter. Part 135, part 91 gig there is and no dice. About 40 rejection letters and the same non replies later. And desperate for a yes, I filled out the app for Southwest and got accepted with an interview date eight months out. Yay. Give me some guidance fellas. What am I missing? And he says oh yeah. My schedule has not allowed me to intend ATP CTP yet. Shout out to my boy Brett, hauling doubles through the Montana backwoods at night. And that email is from RK. RK is currently flying 500 hours a year, and it's 40 years old, and he's in Montana, wife and four kids.
Speaker A
So. But. So he got an interview just now with 1600 total time.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker A
And 500 multi. I would have thought that the. The competitive times would be higher than that right now. Right. So I think that. And. And I think that's probably the problem at the. Everywhere else you've applied, like, 15, 1600 hours was when you would get a call when things were ripping, and things are no longer ripping like they were. So I. I'm not. I can't say that I'm totally surprised that you didn't get a call from everybody. I mean, you have a good experience. I just think you. You're a little short on the. On the total. Total time experience. So. But the fact that you got a call from Southwest, you know that usually the barrier to.
Speaker B
Oh, wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm rereading this. I filled out the app for sw. To me, that means Southwest, but it might mean SkyWest. It probably means SkyWest.
Speaker A
Oh, SkyWest. Okay.
Speaker B
It probably means SkyWest. That's my bad.
Speaker A
Okay. All right. All right. There you go.
Speaker B
It just says swa.
Speaker A
It would be swa probably.
Speaker B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
Speaker A
All right. All right. So either way.
Speaker B
Yeah, that makes more sense.
Speaker A
I mean, the, the way it used to be is you applied everywhere and you went to the first person that called you, and you're kind of in that situation now. So.
Speaker B
I, Yeah, I. I think he's in a great spot. Right. 500 hours a year, and you're. You're flying great time. Like, any recruiter, any chief pilot that looks at what you're doing is going to be like, this guy's a real deal. This is great. You know, you're not flying a banner around or, you know, something where you know that your time only means so much. And you're flying up in Montana, so that means you're flying in the winter. Like, I mean, you're doing everything. You're doing time. You're. You're. The time you're getting is great. So I don't think that's wasted. There's a log jam right now. Right. I mean, we have signs that things are going to be moving soon. I think you will probably get a call, but, yeah, there's a lot of people ahead of you in line right now, and that's Kind of the, the harsh reality of the situation. I would say your best. If you like, something has to happen right now. I think you're going to need to spend some money and call James. Like you're going to have to, you're going to have to do. Because you have a good resume. You just, you're going to have to like, really get tactical and start really working on the networking and figuring out the outside of the cockpit, things that you need to do to make yourself attractive. Really identify what it is that you want to. Where you want to work and then be extremely strategic. So it kind of depends on how active you want to be and how quickly you want to get moving or if you just sort of want that ebb and flow, you know, the ebbs and the flows of the hiring market. We think it's going to start moving. We've seen, I mean, I can't tell you how many social media posts I've seen and people saying they've been interviewing at Southwest actually recently American, we're starting to see a lot more listeners saying they've got interviews coming up. So I think everything is going to start moving more. But yeah, it's just really going to be how, how aggressive do you want to be? But I love where you're at right now, honestly.
Speaker A
Yeah, I agree. Unless, unless you think your gig is coming to an end or something and you need to find somewhere to go before the music stops, then that's one consideration. But if you really want to go to the fractionals, which it sound like that's your, your number one choice.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker A
Yeah. I feel like if you hold out a little while longer and, and get a little more strategic, you, you, if the flying part you think you got taken care of, it's the other stuff that I think will, will help you move quicker. And obviously if you've listened to the show, you realize James is better at that stuff, than we are.
Speaker B
So. Yeah. And you know, if you're happy in Montana, yeah, I would say the fractional probably is the way to go. You know, if your city's a domicile city for one of the carriers, then might be good, but 40, I wouldn't. I mean, yeah, it's a second career. It's not that it's not like you're 55. Like you could still have a pretty good run at a legacy carrier too. Like, I wouldn't just be. If you want. I'm just saying, like, I wouldn't say, well, I missed the boat. I didn't go to you Know, aviation school at 20. You know, like, I mean, a lot of people, you know, in our generation didn't get hired at a major until they were late 30s, early 40s.
Speaker A
Yeah, that used to be normal, dude. But pretty normal is. Here's the problem now, if you're going to do that, I mean, you'd have to look at the actual numbers. The problem is you have this big, I call it like the plug, like in front of you. That's never going to get out of your way. From the. When things.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker A
Were aggressive and a lot of the younger pilots got hired that, those.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker A
You know, they're going to be there way past you. Your retirement. So you're never going to, you're going to.
Speaker B
You could still have a good, you could still have a good career at a legacy if you, if that's a.
Speaker A
Short period of time and we're talking, you know, Everybody's got over 10,000 pilots.
Speaker B
Like it's 20, 20 years of flying. 121 would be plenty.
Speaker A
Literally. That's exactly I, I'm going to have 25 years at it.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker A
And I'm like, I will be good. 40 would be too much for me.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker A
But some people, I mean, I'll tell you what though, my friend's dad was number one in Phoenix. Southwest.
Speaker B
That's right. That's what Ted rec, if you remember, that's what Ted recommends.
Speaker A
Yeah. Ted's. Yeah. Being number one is not, not a bad gig at all.
Speaker B
Yep.
Speaker A
The seniority thing is there. There's certainly something to be said for that. But.
Speaker B
Yeah, yeah, but look, there's, there's lots of different opportunities out there. I love that you're looking at different things. The other only last suggestion I have for you is because you're in a smaller town, you should know you should make it a point in the next three months to try to network with every single operator of an airplane with that Burns Jet A at your local airport. There's, you know, if there's a local group there that gets together, some type of a, you know, airport group operators group. I don't know in Montana exactly what it is, but if you sniff around a little bit, you will start to get a sense of that in a small town like that. I love that move too. And again, just speaking from other corporate operators especially, they love to see the freight pilots. I think because you're doing what we're doing in business aviation a lot of the times, very little hand holding, flying in and out of uncontrolled airports and non Major airports, you know, you're just not shooting an ILS to a 10,000 foot Runway over and over again. So definitely make sure you're making those connections locally. For sure. You're probably already in the fbo, right? It's just the other side of the clock. Anything else, Max, before we.
Speaker A
I don't think so.
Speaker B
Wrap this one up. Okay, good. Well, appreciate the flight advice. Look, if you've got a quandary facing you, you can shoot us an email or you can Visit our website, 21Fivepodcast.com, and we have an anonymous form that you can fill out and we'll ask you a few questions and you can answer to whatever level you're comfortable. You can tell. The more information you give us about how much you're flying. If you're married, you know, that kind of stuff can definitely help when it comes to trying to give you some things to think about. All right. Thanks to Harvey Watt for bringing us flight advice. Yeah. Thanks to the Hilton Canopy for this echoey but large room. Thanks to the disc golf community for just making incredible overnights. I mean, I'm just in a very charitable mood. Thanks to Connor for the wine. Everything is just wonderful.
Speaker A
Where's my wine? Don't be hoarding that.
Speaker B
I've got it for you. It's a couple bottles of red. I think you're really going to enjoy it.
Speaker A
Sounds good.
Speaker B
Thanks, Connor. Well, you're going flying. Will you go? Take a tape measure with you, get those dimensions compared against the G300. Give us a full report when you get back.
Speaker A
I will be sure not to do that.
Speaker B
Sure not to do that. Okay, fine. All right, thanks, Tim Pope. Thanks. Advanced Air Crew Academy. Harvey Watt, Ferris Jet Sales. The air comp calculator james in propilotworld.com for their support of the show. We will be back next week with another episode. Oh, I'm excited about this one, too. It's gonna be good. We've already recorded it. A couple people you might have seen on TV will be joining us. Oh, yes. So, yeah, until then, remember, flexibility is.
Speaker A
The key to air power. We'll see you next time.
Speaker B
Adios. Respect.
Speaker A
Inspect your body.
Speaker B
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