The Grievances in the Declaration (part 2)

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spk_0 You're listening to Civics 101. I'm Nick Capady-J. I'm Hannah McCarthy. And today we are covering

spk_0 the second half of the grievances outlined in the Declaration of Independence. Basically what did

spk_0 King George the third do that justified the colonies severing ties with England and becoming a new

spk_0 independent nation. I love talking about the grievances because they're like a 27-part post on

spk_0 social media. King George is not the beneficent ruler he claims to be and if you think he is,

spk_0 you're not paying attention, threat emoji. Or like one of those bad computer generated articles

spk_0 after a real article in a newspaper. 27 reasons your king is awful. Number 10 will shock you.

spk_0 Colonist Haydom.

spk_0 Anyways folks, last week we covered grievances 1 through 12. Give it a listen if you haven't before

spk_0 we jump back in. Today we are covering the rest and just a little bit seeing which if any of

spk_0 these grievances are relevant right now fall of 2025. And Reno Moftamy and breaking them down in his

spk_0 true Glaswegian style is my friend and professor at Colby Sawyer College Craig Gallagher. He's not

spk_0 from Glasgow. He's from Greenuck which is just outside of Glasgow but he'll forgive me for that.

spk_0 Enough Prittle Prattle. Declaration grievance number 13.

spk_0 He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution

spk_0 and unacknowledged by our laws giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation.

spk_0 So this one's kind of in the middle of the military ones. I'll just say that it's straightforwardly

spk_0 a rejection of Parliament's sovereignty over the colonies saying that Parliament is a jurisdiction

spk_0 foreign to our constitution which is the Lee resolution right. We don't recognize

spk_0 Parliament as an institution that oversees us. I'll swipe at Parliament there. Yeah.

spk_0 We have our own legislatures here in the colony and this grievance Hannah ends with a colon

spk_0 like so many of us. All right. I'm going to cut that joke. The next batch of grievances 14 through 22

spk_0 are a continuation from that colon. These are the laws that the king has ascended to that we

spk_0 did not pass in the colonies and they all start with four. As in he's given assent to bad laws we

spk_0 don't recognize laws for doing X. Number 14 and the first four. So the first one is for

spk_0 quartering large bodies of armed troops among us. So literally this refers to the thing you

spk_0 reference which is quartering people in your home. That is it is the responsibility of subjects

spk_0 of the crown to provide room and board to soldiers. That one's pretty bad. We even made an amendment

spk_0 we did the rarely discussed third amendment. But yeah the crown could save a lot of money by having

spk_0 soldiers sleep in your house and eat your food. And for the point of view of people like the

spk_0 sons of liberty for example it's also seen as an invasion of their privacy and an attempt by the

spk_0 crown to spy on them. There's a red coat in my upstairs bedroom. That means I can only say so

spk_0 many things. So much of what we think of as the right to privacy and the constitution comes out

spk_0 to this idea of the government shouldn't be able to impose someone in your home. And that goes

spk_0 back to this idea that red coats would be sleeping in your spare bedroom because the government needed

spk_0 to to put them in there. And it's not just an invasion of privacy. It's not necessarily safe to

spk_0 have a stranger who is suddenly living with you. I mean these are families with children and

spk_0 vulnerabilities. Yeah and Craig told me this was dangerous to the colonists on two opposite

spk_0 fronts. One that you could be subjecting your child to potential abuse which happened. And two

spk_0 your daughter could enter a consensual relationship with a red coat which also happened and would

spk_0 not be good politically. It's a bad idea all around. Terrible idea. Okay 15.

spk_0 For protecting them by a mock trial from punishment for any murders which they should commit

spk_0 on the inhabitants of these states. Wait what is that about mock trial? So Jefferson is referencing a

spk_0 very specific thing here which is that British troops who commit a crime well on duty well in

spk_0 uniform are not subject to local laws. So there's an argument in anapolis Maryland between some

spk_0 colonists and some British Marines. The Marines killed two colonists and instead of standing trial

spk_0 in the Maryland courts they were sent to London for a trial and were unsurprisingly acquitted.

spk_0 Okay number 16. For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world this one's complicated.

spk_0 So let me try and do it quickly. Since the 1650s the British colonies had been subject to something

spk_0 called the navigation acts which in a sentence required goods produced in the British colonies

spk_0 to be sent to London not to other ports. So they had to be taken to London and then resold

spk_0 from London. So if I were in Boston and I wanted to sell I don't know whale oil to someone

spk_0 outside the colonies I couldn't sell it. I had to sell it to London which would then sell it

spk_0 to someone else. They're the middle man. And the Dutch, the French, the Spanish they were not

spk_0 supposed to be trading in the colonies directly but they sure did anyways. So everyone was essentially

spk_0 smuggling. Every day they were smuggling. But what this meant was British soldiers could search

spk_0 any ship and say, hmm looks like we got some contraband here. And that truly chilled all trade with

spk_0 the colonies. Right here's number 17 and it is a big one. For imposing taxes on us without

spk_0 our consent. And that one and the simplest way to put it is the root issue at the heart of the

spk_0 Stamp Act, the Times and Act crisis is right. All right we're talking the classic American revolution

spk_0 note taxation without representation. Yep. This is the idea that the with our consent

spk_0 provision essentially means we didn't actually have a representative in the British Parliament.

spk_0 And the colonists are like, no, no, we have to have someone there to debate this. And because they

spk_0 don't they reject the legitimacy of the taxes. And so they call it imposing taxes on us and they

spk_0 stress the lack of consent because they just see the whole edifice of taxing them from London as

spk_0 illegitimate. Here comes number 18. Hannah, have I sneaked down to 1776 for reference yet?

spk_0 I don't think so Nick, but I also think that...

spk_0 To your dreams! Among your charges against the king Mr. Jefferson, you accuse him of depriving us

spk_0 of the benefits of trial by jury. This is untrue sir. In Delaware we've always had trial by jury.

spk_0 For depriving us in many cases of the benefit of trial by jury. Again, gonna bring up smuggling here.

spk_0 Anyone caught selling to a foreign trader and not through London was considered a smuggler and a pirate.

spk_0 Is that a facsimile of he's a pirate you've got going on here? Sure is. Anyways, for this you

spk_0 didn't get a civil trial in your home court, but a military tribunal. No peers, no friends in the room.

spk_0 Which if you are against smuggling is probably good. But if you are a smuggler like say

spk_0 John Hancock, that's so great for you. That's so great. Okay, number 19.

spk_0 For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses. British authorities had a

spk_0 unilateral right to extradite colonists to Britain. There was no corresponding right. So British people

spk_0 could not be extradited to the colonies, even if the crime was committed in the colonies.

spk_0 So from the point of view of the colonists, it's an imbalance. And there's this idea that certain

spk_0 British officials, lords, people who have financial interests in the colonies but are based in

spk_0 London would rather have or Bristol would rather have a crime committed and say Charleston adjudicated

spk_0 in Bristol rather than in Charleston itself. Same idea, right? So much of this is about that ocean,

spk_0 that big 3000 mile stretch of water that separated England from the colonies and people in power

spk_0 got to pick which side they should be on in any given situation that would benefit them.

spk_0 Yeah, the sea hates the coward, but it benefits a monarch. All right, number 20.

spk_0 For abolishing the free system of English laws and enabling province, establishing therein

spk_0 an arbitrary government and enlarging its boundaries so as to render it at once an example

spk_0 and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these colonies.

spk_0 What is that about? It's about our gentle neighbor to the north. Oh Canada.

spk_0 In 1774, the Quebec Act established that the now-British province of Quebec will be run under old

spk_0 French laws, meaning it does not have to have its own legislature. Essentially what they think

spk_0 is happening, or Jefferson's perspective seems to be here, is that Quebec is a test run

spk_0 for imposing a kind of despotism on the rest of the colonies. Because their subjects are French and

spk_0 Catholic, that must mean they're used to this, right? They're used to a despotic monarch and not

spk_0 having rights, which looks very funny and hindsight 30 years later after the French Revolution.

spk_0 But the idea, right, that Catholic French subjects weren't used to liberty. They didn't know what

spk_0 liberty was. Only Englishmen know what liberty is. And so the Crown is attempting to impose

spk_0 despotism on them because they don't know any better. But we know better, and we see it as a trial

spk_0 run for what they're going to try to do to us. And another reason Jefferson might not have liked

spk_0 England expanding its borders is because that left less and less land that the framers could

spk_0 speculate on and make a ton of money. Sounds about right. All right 21.

spk_0 For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the

spk_0 forms of our governments. This is a reference specifically to the Act in 1774 called the

spk_0 Massachusetts Government Act, passed out of the British Parliament, which abolished the charter

spk_0 of Massachusetts as a colony. Real quick, can you define charter for me? Yeah. So the settlement of

spk_0 the original colonies was usually done according to charters. That is to say, the Crown grants you

spk_0 the Massachusetts Bay Company, X amount of land, X amount of rights for X amount of time. And that

spk_0 is your sort of authority in this region. The British Government wasn't going out and sending

spk_0 soldiers and settling a colony and saying, this is directly ruled British territory. They were

spk_0 giving a charter usually to a company, the Virginia company, the Massachusetts Bay Company.

spk_0 In general, the idea of a charter is it is a grant from the Crown giving you authority over this

spk_0 region. And within that, you have certain rights that are protected. But the king put a new charter

spk_0 on Massachusetts that gave the Royal Governor a lot more power. So England thought that mass

spk_0 had too much power. Mass folk thought that they needed more power. There's a lot more to us than

spk_0 dunks and Ben Affleck. All right 22. For suspending our own legislatures and declaring themselves invested

spk_0 with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever. This is a very specific rebuke to something

spk_0 called the the Cliratory Act of 1766. The only thing you need to know about the Cliratory Act is

spk_0 it's passed in the immediate aftermath of the repeal of the Stamp Act.

spk_0 The Stamp at 1765, England says all paper used in the colonies, including playing cards,

spk_0 has to have the official London stamp on it. Meaning England got the tax money.

spk_0 Yeah, and it did not go well. So the Stamp Act crisis happens. The colonists go crazy. They get

spk_0 really upset. There's a lot of internal pressure in Britain to recognize the right of the colonists.

spk_0 And eventually the Stamp Act is repealed by Parliament, which is kind of a humiliation for

spk_0 the government and a humiliation for Parliament to have to do this. So in response, England passed

spk_0 the Cliratory Act, which basically says Parliament still has the right to legislate in all cases in

spk_0 the colonies whenever it wants. Sounds pretty petty. Petty and pee-vish-hanna.

spk_0 All right, number 23, End in sight. And now, now it's time for the big guns.

spk_0 Even if everything listed previously had not been here, you could argue that everything after this

spk_0 is justified, justification for independence on its own, right? So to give you an example,

spk_0 he has abdicated government here by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us.

spk_0 So this is a kind of a reference to the war, essentially, right? The government of Britain

spk_0 is at war with its colonies. Now, if you asked King George III, and if you asked Parliament,

spk_0 they would say we sent the military into Kwella rebellion. So by 1776, we've been at war for

spk_0 almost over a year at this point. And I think this is often forgotten about the Second

spk_0 Condental Congress, they're meeting in the middle of a war, right? They're a war Parliament.

spk_0 Oh, good God. Why can't you acknowledge what already exists? It has been more than a year since

spk_0 Conqueror Lexington. Damn it, man, we're at war right now. You may be a war. You,

spk_0 Boston and John Eddett. We are at war. The British have occupied New York City at this point,

spk_0 and Jefferson is saying the King has abdicated. He has given up his responsibility over us

spk_0 because he has declared war on us. So as far as we're concerned, we don't need to listen to him anymore.

spk_0 And number 24 is an extension of this. So he has plundered our seas, ravaged our coast,

spk_0 burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. Using military force against the

spk_0 colonists is an abdication of his responsibility to protect them. Again, this is Jefferson saying,

spk_0 you're supposed to protect us, not war with us. When you use military force against us,

spk_0 you are no longer our protector. And the beat of the war drum continues in grievance number 25.

spk_0 Can you feel everyone getting real mad, Hannah? I can feel it.

spk_0 He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death,

spk_0 desolation, and tyranny already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perifity,

spk_0 scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of the head of a civilized nation.

spk_0 Cruelty and profidity!

spk_0 Carolelled in the most barbarous ages.

spk_0 So this is Jefferson really getting wowed out of here. Two things here. Obviously, again,

spk_0 underlining of the violence, the King's resort to violence as illegitimate. But I do want to highlight

spk_0 the mercenaries really quickly. The British government did hire multiple companies of German

spk_0 mercenaries. This would have been in the news around this time. But the idea that there would be

spk_0 the use of mercenaries against American subjects is an odious one to the Americans because this is

spk_0 a saying that the King is willing to engage with foreigners to crush his own people. And that seems

spk_0 to them to be an abdication of his obligation to protect them. Like, do you hire Russian tanks

spk_0 to come oppress conquered New Hampshire, right? That would be the level we're talking about here.

spk_0 The notion that you would go out and get a foreign military and use it against your own people is

spk_0 what they're so upset about here.

spk_0 Panel to meet grievance 26. He has constrained our fellow citizens,

spk_0 taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of

spk_0 their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.

spk_0 Hannah, do you know what a press gang is? Is it when I hang out with my friends from journalism school?

spk_0 So a press gang, the subject of many a shanty, I'm not going to get into the King's

spk_0 shilling or Barrett's privateers here. This is the British practice of imprisonment,

spk_0 where the Royal Navy took people accused of smuggling or other crimes,

spk_0 just up and took them off the streets or in a bar to fight on their ships.

spk_0 A press gang could surround you at a tavern, grab you, and just throw you in a carriage.

spk_0 And this would happen to Americans quite frequently. There was a period where Scots and Irish

spk_0 soldiers were overwhelmingly pressed, but with the time we get to the 18th century, it tends to be

spk_0 American soldiers in part because Scots and Irish have representation in the British parliament.

spk_0 Are we there? Is this the last one?

spk_0 We are Hannah, but this one is tricky, and I think it's best to start with what is not in the

spk_0 final grievance. In Jefferson's first draft, but not in the final declaration of independence,

spk_0 this grievance started with, he has waged cruel war.

spk_0 He has waged cruel war against human nature itself and the persons of a distant people

spk_0 who never offended him, captivating and carrying them in dislavery in another hemisphere.

spk_0 Determined to keep open the market where men should be born and sold, he has prostituted his

spk_0 victims. I apologize, Mr. Thompson. I thank you, sir. Mr. Jefferson, I can't quite make out what it is

spk_0 you're talking about. He called the slave trade a cruel war against human nature and his first draft,

spk_0 and he referred to the idea of enslaving Africans and taking them to the Americas as something

spk_0 the king imposed upon America as something that the crown of Great Britain had forced Americans to

spk_0 participate in, and that it was not a natural thing, it was an abuse of power imposed upon them by

spk_0 Britain. I imagine that most of our listeners are aware that this is hypocritical. Thomas Jefferson

spk_0 enslaved nearly 600 people. He quote unquote resolved to release them, but he never did.

spk_0 Never did. And Craig said that Jefferson was making a distinction here between slavery

spk_0 and the slave trade, practicing the first and condemning the latter, which yes, Hannah,

spk_0 extremely hypocritical. And the idea that he would then also own slaves while saying these things,

spk_0 I mean, he says all men are created equal earlier in the document, right? It's possible to both say

spk_0 Thomas Jefferson hated being a slave owner, hated slavery, but also did it and did it in ways that

spk_0 were bloody and invasive and worth condemnation. So it's very hard. He's a complicated figure.

spk_0 So what's the part that made it in? So the part that made it in is he has excited domestic

spk_0 insurrections amongst us and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers,

spk_0 the marcellus Indian savages whose known rule of warfare is an undistinguished destruction of

spk_0 all ages, sexes and conditions. So to start with the slavery point, domestic insurrections

spk_0 is Jefferson's word for slave revolts. He means enslaved people rising up against their bondage

spk_0 and attacking their slave owners, which I think it's fair to say from a 21st century point of

spk_0 view, we all understand that, right? But from his point of view, anything that you would do

spk_0 to excite that is almost as bad as participating in something like the slave trade because you're

spk_0 using violence, right? The problem is the violence. The problem is the viciousness of that approach.

spk_0 The question of slavery was not part of the declaration, but it sure was in the Constitution.

spk_0 Yep, five times. The other side of this is the marcellus Indian savages, which I really,

spk_0 I don't know if this will be audio only, but I really hope people hear my quotes there, my

spk_0 scare quotes. So I very much encourage anyone out there to listen to our episode on this very

spk_0 specific part. It is called the Declaration Revisited Native Americans just to understand how

spk_0 damaging the reverberations of that one sentence are not just in its racism, but that it was cited

spk_0 in Supreme Court opinions as recently as 2005. And for the record, this is not a legal document,

spk_0 so it's crazy that that would be the case, right? But that's me, that's me on this site. Unquestionably

spk_0 racist description of the Native peoples here. Specifically, what I would say here is that one of

spk_0 the priorities after the end of the seven years war with France is the Britain does not want to be

spk_0 dragged into an Indian war. They do not want to war with Native peoples. They do not want to fight

spk_0 a conflict against Native Americans in North America. And that kind of language is infused here

spk_0 in this idea that the king is inciting and sort of prioritizing these savages over us,

spk_0 right? And the idea that he's indevred to bring them onto our frontiers is kind of implying

spk_0 that, right? He's saying that the frontier lands are theirs. Whereas the colonial American position

spk_0 would be that land deserves. We want that land. And there we are. 27 injuries and usurpations.

spk_0 So do you want to talk a little about, you know, modern day parallels? All right, let's do it.

spk_0 All right, we're going to take a quick break. So Hannah, do you remember it was July of 2017,

spk_0 NPR tweeted, lined by line, the Declaration of Independence? Oh, I actually, yes, I do remember this. And

spk_0 I also recall that there were people who did not recognize it as the Declaration of Independence.

spk_0 And they accused NPR of tweeting anti-Trump propaganda. Well, some President Trump supporters

spk_0 unaware that NPR was literally tweeting out the Declaration of Independence,

spk_0 accused NPR of inciting violence. One guy tweeted, so NPR is calling for revolution.

spk_0 Interesting way to condone violence while trying to sound patriotic. Your implications are clear.

spk_0 I bring that story up, Hannah, because since then, myriad articles have been written detailing

spk_0 similarities between George III and Donald Trump's actions. So Hannah, you've heard them all.

spk_0 You've heard all 27. Where do you want to start? Can we do the, he has refused his

spk_0 ascent to laws, etc. I know in this instance, ascent means the equivalent of signing a bill and

spk_0 Donald Trump has not vetoed anything in the current administration. His party controls both

spk_0 chambers of Congress. So he hasn't needed to. But the president has refused to recognize laws

spk_0 passed by Congress. Yeah, there is the illegal firing of federal employees.

spk_0 President Trump announced he is firing Fed Governor Lisa Cook over allegations of mortgage fraud.

spk_0 This is the first time a president has fired a Fed governor in the central banks 111 year history.

spk_0 Cook has not been charged with any crime. This has huge implications in politics, law, and the

spk_0 the other. There is the fact that he has tried to end birthright citizenship via executive order.

spk_0 Now, birthright citizenship is in the Constitution. The Constitution is the law of the land.

spk_0 So I can see that as a refusal to ascent to laws. And the fact that Congress has appropriated a

spk_0 bunch of funds for various executive agencies and departments. And a lot of that has been frozen,

spk_0 etc. by the executive. Right. Do you have agreements you're particularly interested in looking at?

spk_0 I was thinking maybe number 10. He has erected a multitude of new offices and sent Heather swarms

spk_0 of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance. Do you do the opposite on Doge,

spk_0 the Department of Government Efficiency? This was in office the president created by executive order.

spk_0 But the Constitution grants Congress the power to create new federal offices, not the executive.

spk_0 This office, Doge has rated federal agencies. They have been given access to a ton of financial

spk_0 data involving social security, tax filings, government contracts. You name it.

spk_0 I feel we should also point out here that Congress alone has the power to eliminate agencies.

spk_0 But Trump signed an executive order in March to do just that. Eliminate seven federal agencies

spk_0 to the quote full extent of the law. Trump's order also gives the office of management and budget

spk_0 sweeping new authority over agency budgets, allowing the White House to review and potentially

spk_0 restrict spending decisions. Another one I got to bring up is number seven. He is endeavored to prevent

spk_0 the population of these states for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners.

spk_0 That one almost does not need expounding on. The man we spoke with is a U.S. citizen. He provided

spk_0 us with a documentation of his legal status. He says this experience has shaken his faith in

spk_0 the immigration enforcement efforts of President Donald Trump for whom he voted.

spk_0 I mean I will expound a little on this. The president has given authority to ICE agents to arrest

spk_0 people at their workplace, schools, and even immigration courts. And we can tie this to grievance

spk_0 number 18 denying trial by jury as many of these immigrants are deported with no trial whatsoever.

spk_0 All right, you want to take another one? Sure. What were the numbers for the grievances involving

spk_0 standing armies in independent military? That was 11 and 12. We did mention it in the last episode,

spk_0 but the president has deployed the National Guard to Washington DC and California and has

spk_0 recently signed an executive order to send them to Memphis. President Trump,

spk_0 late yesterday, establishing a task force in Memphis to crack down on crime. Similar to actions

spk_0 recently taken in the nation's capital. The effort will include the National Guard as well as the

spk_0 FBI, ATF, DEA, ICE, Homeland Security Investigations and the U.S. Marshals.

spk_0 You want to do one more? Sure. And I do want to say this list of comparisons is not exhaustive.

spk_0 I read one article that said there were parallels to 21 of the 27 grievances,

spk_0 but I do want to bring up number 16 for cutting off our trade with all parts of the world.

spk_0 Terriffs are taxes, Congress levies taxes, and not the president. And we are paying this tax on

spk_0 things we import from other countries. And I guess you could tie this to the next one as well,

spk_0 to imposing taxes without consent. But of course, Nick, we do still have a democracy. We do not have a

spk_0 king. It is a different situation. Yeah, we are a democratic republic. We do not need a revolution

spk_0 to solve problems when we have elections. You know, I keep thinking of the terror in the room

spk_0 when the first continental congress was adopting Lee's resolution to declare independence.

spk_0 These men could have been found guilty of treason. That is in fact what they were committing.

spk_0 They could have been hanged. But that's not us, right? We're allowed to air our grievances.

spk_0 We are. And honestly, that's how we started in the first place.

spk_0 Thus ends this little mini-series on grievances. I hope you air yours,

spk_0 loudly and often. This episode is made by me Nick Kappa-Deeche with Hannah McCarthy. Thank you,

spk_0 Hannah. Marina Henke's our producer and Rebecca LaVoy our executive producer and grievance receiver.

spk_0 Music in this episode from Blue Dot Sessions, Hylistinico and Epidemic Sound and the amazing Chris

spk_0 Zibrisky. Civics 101 is production of NHPR, New Hampshire Public Radio. It's all Peter Pence.

spk_0 Yeah, I love talking about these grievances, Hannah, because they're like a... Oh, the fridge.

spk_0 The fridge just start. We can unplug the fridge. I'll plug it. Just remember to plug it back in.

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spk_0 because English food is not as exciting as the bright colors of the Mediterranean. I'll say that much.

spk_0 I call it helium, but that's Sir Helium to you because this is one noble gas. Stop this joking

spk_0 plate tennis. Wow. That's exactly what Darwin thought. He thought that song predated speech and

spk_0 human ancestors sang some sort of wordless songs as a form of courtship. Kind of like Birds Do

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